One of the readers of this Blog has sent me the correspondence below and authorised me to publish it for him. It is worth reading but is in the usual order for email correspondence trails. I would like to thank him for sharing this with me (and you!). Many of his points regarding the Ethnic English apply to all those that reside in England whatever their ethnicity.
I apologise for the delay in replying to your email I have been ill.
Robin you ask can you put a copy of my correspondence up on your blog?
The answer is yes, but please ensure that my name, postal address and
email address are removed. And post as anonymous.
I have had check through to remove them., but could you double check
please and remove them if you find them?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: UPDATE : Ways to start to alleviate ethnic English
resentment about Scottish devolution
Thank you for this. Did you see this link to what I said about the WLQ
I attach their transcript of my evidence.
Can I put a copy of your correspondence up on my Blog? If so, do you
want to be anonymous?
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In a message dated 28/05/2012 15:17:16 GMT Daylight Time
Dear Robin I recently sent you an email in the strictest confidence
(see below original email for details).
I now send you this follow up email in the strictest confidence in the
hope it may be of use?
I have since received a reply from my MP Elizabeth Truss and Mark
Harper Minister for Political Constitutional Reform.
ELIZABETH TRUSS MP
Constituency Office: The Limes
32 Bridge Street Thetford
Norfolk IP24 3AG Tel: 01842 757 345
Westminster Office: House of Commons
London SW1A OAA
Tel: 020 7219 7151
HOUSE OF COMMONS
LONDON SWIA OAA
Please find enclosed a reply from Mark Harper MP, Minister for
Political and Constitutional Reform, regarding your concerns about
various devolution matters. I note that the Government has established a
Commission to consider how the House of Commons might deal with
legislation that affects only part of the UK, following the devolution
of certain legislative powers to the Scottish Parliament, the Northern
Ireland Assembly and the National Assembly for Wales. You can find
details of the Commission at: http://tmc.independent.gov.uk.
Elizabeth Truss MP
Email: elizabeth.truss.mpffparliament.uk: www.elizabethtruss.com
Mark Harper MP
Telephone 020 7276 5866
London Fax 020 7276 0514
Minister for Political and Constitutional Reform
SW1A 2AS Email psrnarkharper (o7cabinet-office.asi.clov.uk Web
Elizabeth Truss MP
House of Commons
London SW1A OAA
Thank you for your email of 12 April to the Minister for the Cabinet
Office, on behalf of your constituent, who has asked about various
devolution matters. I am responding as Minister for Political and
Mr ..... comments that there is growing anger among the English which
will ultimately result in England supporting Scottish Independence and
the break up of the United Kingdom. I should like to state from the
outset that the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister strongly
believe that like other members of the Union, Scotland benefits from
being part of the UK and the UK benefits from Scotland being a part of
it. This Government believes that devolution within the United Kingdom
provides the right balance between responsibility, accountability and
representation and we will work vigorously to maintain this position.
Mr ....... mentions discrimination against England because Scotland
has its own Parliament. Whilst devolution has created separate and
distinct representative bodies for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland,
the UK Parliament still legislates for the whole of the UK on a range of
matters, including economic policy. Under existing arrangements,
different political parties are currently in government across the
devolved administrations and the UK Government, without having entirely
separate governments for each territory within the UK. The existing
devolution settlements were designed to meet varying needs, so that
local decisions could be made to respond to local problems, resulting in
different policy approaches which best meet the needs of different parts
of the UK.
As devolution has evolved over the past decade, questions about
fairness and balance in the consideration of legislation by the House of
Commons have increased. Mr....... has commented on MPs who do not
represent English seats voting on English laws. These questions to which
there are no straightforward answers, not least because there is no
definition of what a solely English matter is, need to be addressed. It
is for this reason that the Government has established a Commission to
consider how the House of Commons might deal with legislation which
affects only part of the United Kingdom, following the devolution of
certain legislative powers to the Scottish Parliament, the Northern
Ireland Assembly and the National Assembly for Wales.
The Commission has started its work and will make its recommendations
to the Government during the course of the next Parliamentary session.
Mr....... may wish to make representations directly to the Commission,
details of which can be found at htt://tmc.independent.gov.uk.
I note Mr ..... concern that the current system of devolution funding
is a factor that encourages English resentment towards devolution. As
set out in the Coalition Programme for Government, we recognise that
there are concerns about the current system, including those expressed
by the Holtham Commission. However, at this time the priority must be to
reduce the national deficit and any changes to the current system must
await the stabilisation of the public finances.
I hope that you and your constituent find this reply helpful.
Robin I personally believe as sole Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish
policies and matters have been identified, hence their having their
assemblies and parliaments, then there is no reason why solely English
policies and matters cannot be identified. I also find it insulting that
Mr. Harper says that reducing the national deficit has priority over
making changes to the current system of devolution funding i.e. The
Barnett Formula. This again is wrong as the governments spending
policies at home and abroad prove that reducing the deficit is not their
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:18 AM
Subject: Scottish Devolution and a way to start to alleviate ethnic
I send this in the strictist confidence, in the hope it may be of help
with any of your further talks with the Commission on Devolution. I
apoligise that I did not send earlier but was unaware of or dates.
Hopefully it may be of use in some areas?
Below are my emails with Elizabeth Truss MP and my original email.
Though I have asked her to forward this to Francis Maud, she has 'taken
the matter up' with him. So it seems she may been selective in what she
has taken up?
Elizabeth Truss MP
Member of Parliament for South West Norfolk
32 Bridge Street, Thetford, Norfolk IP24 3AG
Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding Scottish
devolution. I have taken up this matter with Francis Maude MP, Minister
for the Cabinet Office. I will contact you again as soon as I receive a
Elizabeth Truss MP
Sent: 05 April 2012 09:07
To: TRUSS, Elizabeth
Subject: Scottish Devolution and a way to start to alleviate Ethnic
Date: 5th April 2012
Dear Elizabeth Truss MP,
A few months ago you informed me that the policy regarding my concerns
appear to be the responsibility of the Minister for the Cabinet Office.
Therefore may I ask you as my local Conservative MP if you could please
send my below letter to the Rt Hon Francis Maud MP.
Date: April 2012
To: Rt Hon Francis Maud MP
Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General
Ways to start to alleviate ethnic English resentment Scottish
Dear Rt Hon Francis Maud MP,
I have been advised to contact you by the European Parliament. And have
been informed by my local Conservative MP Elizabeth Truss, that the
policy regarding the below concerns on accepting ethnic English
ethnicity is the responsibility of the Minister for the Cabinet Office.
I would like to draw your attention to the growing anger of the ethnic
English concerning Scottish independence and the devolution of powers of
Wales and Northern Ireland. And the lack of recognition of the ethnic
The national media and many MPs have quiet rightly high-lighted ethnic
English anger and resentment at the double standards and discrimination
at play against them. Scotland has it own parliament and devolved
powers. Scotland receives a huge yearly payment in the form of the
Barnett formula. Scottish MPs can vote on English only matters, as can
Welsh and Northern Irish Mps. Yet the English cannot vote on these
The ethnic English do not have their own parliament as Scotland does,
nor devolved powers, and less money is spent per head on people in
England by the state than in Scotland. An average of £1,600 a year less
is spent on them. Why all the above? This is surely a case of
The Treasury’s Public Expenditure Statistics recently projected UK
Government annual spending per person as £8,588 in England – and £10,212
The ethnic English not only receive a raw deal because of all the above
they receive a raw deal from the state because it is still is refusing
to accept the ethnic English as people and England as a country in their
own right. ..Which is ludicrous because the ethnic English go back
nearly two thousand years and England is certainly the oldest country in
the UK and probably older than most in Europe.
In fact this anger at being treated unfairly has meant most ethnic
English people (who are the majority population within England) now
support Scotland’s march to independence.
Scotland’s independence would mean the break up of the UK, as Northern
Ireland and Wales would follow suit and the ethnic English would also
support them. Because the ethnic English increasingly no longer care
about the UK, because they believe themselves not accepted or supported
in any way and denied on all areas by the Government and state. From
being refused the right to state and write that they are ‘Ethnic
English’ on forms, to England being denied devolved powers that are
equal to the devolved powers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
(One sensible brake through was in the ONS 2011 Census where ethnic
English were allowed to write down they were/are ethnic English).
Only by the Government and state accepting the ethnic English identity
(the majority population within England) can the UK remain intact. For
without the ethnic English supporting full devolution for Scotland the
attempt would fail.
A recent poll by the think tank IPPR, and Cardiff and Edinburgh
Universities showed almost six out of ten ethnic English say that they
do not trust the UK Government to work in the best long-term interests
The IPPR Director Nick Pearce urged England’s mainstream political
parties to adopt Englishness with a sense of urgency and seriousness,
and take necessary steps so that it finds political expression.
Discussing about England and Englishness is misconstrued by some as
seeking to weaken the union, noted Pearce, but this is absolutely
baseless. “The longer this debate is ignored, or worse, denied, the more
likely we will see a backlash within England against the UK”.
Most ethnic English support Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
becoming independent. And daily that ethnic English support grows
because the ethnic English have had enough of being denied their
ethnicity, voice, country and devolved dowers. Of being denied equality.
And in the long run there is certainly nothing any government can do in
preventing the brake up of the UK from eventually happening, unless,
they start to fully accept ethnic English ethnicity and identity, and so
alleviate the growing anger and fury that is mounting and so prevent an
irreversible political backlash from the ethnic English.
It is this lack of acceptance and representation of the ethnic English
(the English are an ethnic group so have their own group ethnicity, as
do all ethnic groups throughout the UK. The difference being all other
ethnicities are accepted by the UK Government and state as having equal
human rights) ..that is causing discontent and anger and the widespread
realization of injustice and discrimination against the ethnic English.
The Government and states present non acceptance of the ethnic English
population throughout the UK could even be seen as Government and state
backed racism, discrimination and bigotry. And the ethnic English are
starting to see it that way.
The prime minister once said to Andrew Marr “I’m a Cameron, there is
quite a lot of Scottish blood flowing through these veins” in acceptance
of his own ethnicity.
All peoples belong to various ethnic groups and the ethnic English are
also an ethnic group, and just as all other ethnic groups are accepted
in this country as having equal human rights. Isn’t it about time the
ethnic English were are also accepted as having equal human rights?
In many areas throughout the UK the ethnic English are increasingly the
Minority Ethnic Group and this trend is set to continue, and these
people feel abounded and let down by the state. So it is only right that
the Ethnic English should have available to them the considerations,
resources, support and equality that are afforded to all other
This is of great importance to the ethnic English of population, as
many of its young are suffering from further education being placed
beyond their reach, the elderly retired and sick struggling for support,
resources and to be heard. And for those through no fault of their own
are being made redundant or are already unemployed.
By accepting the Ethnic English, and accepting them as having equal
human rights along with all other ethnicities, this will go a long way
to ease increasingly high racial tensions that are becoming rife
throughout England and the rest of the UK. As the state’s present non
acceptance of Ethnic English ethnicity is major contributing factor in
MPs have informed me they accept the ethnic English in their own right
and as a people. This is only right and how it should be in a democratic
country that prides itself on equality.
We can hardly say we want the United Kingdom to remain together for the
benefit of all, and equality is the right off all, when we ignore and
fail to accept a constituent part of the UK’s make up, those of English
Ethnicity. …What confusing message does that send out?
The ONS (Office of National Statistics - which consults and provides
information to national and local government, etc). The EHRC (Equality
and Human Rights Commission - Section 3 states the EHRC has a general
duty to work towards the development of a society where equality and
rights are rooted). And The Charities Commission.
..All accept the ethnic English (indigenous English ethnicity), and
accept them as having equal human rights along with all other
The United Kingdom is member of the European Union (EU) and one of its
The European Parliament has contacted me stating
Thank you for your message to the European Parliament concerning
"English ethnicity". The European Parliament accepts people of all
ethnicities as possessing equal human rights. It would appear that it is
particularly a matter for the government of the UK to ensure that all
ethnicities within the UK are equally treated and respected and so I
would suggest that you write to UK Members of Parliament or indeed to
the Prime Minister.
In addition, I should point out to you that the Court of Human Rights
in Strasbourg is not an organ of the European Union, but of the "Council
of Europe", which encompasses many more states than the EU and which was
set up shortly after the Second World War, largely to ensure that the
kind of persecution of populations on the basis of race, creed or
ethnicity should never again happen in Europe.
G. R. Chambers,
Citizens' Enquiry Service,
The United Kingdom was one of the drafters and adopters of the
The United Nations Declaration on Human Rights (UNDHR).
Convention on Civil and Political
‘Everyone shall have the right to recognition everywhere as a person
before the law.’
Ethnic English persons are not recognised everywhere before the law
because their ethnicity is yet to be accepted by a UK Government. Ethnic
English persons are not recognised everywhere before the law because
when they complete any official form (bar the partial ONS recognition)
and write or state they are Ethnic English, their ethnicity is not yet
Article 19 parts 1 and 2
1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right
shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas
of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in
print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
Ethnic English persons do not have a right to hold opinions without
interference because their ethnicity is not yet to be accepted by a UK
Government. This means someone who is ethnic English cannot hold
opinions and express them as an ethnic English person because they are
not accepted as an ethnic English person. So when they try to state the
opinions they hold as an ethnic English person, those opinions are
questioned and not accepted by officials and so interfered with by
officialdom because the Government does not yet recognise the ethnic
English and ethnic English persons.
Ethnic English persons do not have the right to freedom of expression
and all this includes, because their ethnicity is yet to be accepted by
a UK Government. And so they cannot express themselves on all official
forms and as a group, as can all other ethnicities within the UK.
All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any
discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the
law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal
and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as
race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion,
national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Ethnic English persons are Not equal with other ethnic persons before
the law and entitled without any discrimination to equal protection
before the law. Because ethnic English persons are yet to be accepted by
a UK Government. So ethnic English persons are not guaranteed equal and
effective protection and nor their human rights.
This is why it is essential that for the UK to remain intact and for
equality to prevail their needs to be Government acceptance of the
ethnic English and ethnic English persons, to reassure those whose
ethnicity is indigenous English that they are accepted just as all other
ethnicities are. And that Government accepts that they along with all
people of all ethnicities as possessing equal human rights.
In recognising the ethnic English and ethnic English persons the UK
Government as a member of the European Union will be complying with its
obligations, lawful duties and responsibilities as set out within -
The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union - Treaty of
The United Nations Declaration on Human Rights.
The European Convention On Human Rights.
The Council of Europe.
Note: Concerning the Lisbon Treaty
In addition, the Treaty of Lisbon guarantees the enforcement of the
Charter of Fundamental Rights. The EU therefore acquires for itself a
catalogue of civil, political, economic and social rights, which are
legally binding not only on the Union and its institutions, but also on
the Member States as regards the implementation of Union law.
How does the Charter of Fundamental Rights improve the rights of
The Treaty of Lisbon makes a cross-reference to the Charter as a real
catalogue of rights that the EU believes all citizens of the Union
should enjoy vis-à-vis the Union's institutions and the Union's law
binding guarantees. The six chapters of the Charter cover the following
aspects: individual rights related to dignity; freedoms, equality,
solidarity, rights linked to citizenship status and justice. These
rights are drawn essentially from other international instruments, like
the European Convention on Human Rights, giving them legal embodiment in
The institutions of the Union must respect the rights written into the
Charter. The same obligations are incumbent upon the Member States when
they implement the Union’s legislation. The Court of Justice will ensure
that the Charter is applied correctly. The incorporation of the Charter
does not alter the Union’s powers, but offers strengthened rights and
greater freedom for citizens.
A Europe of rights and values, freedom, solidarity and security,
promoting the Union's values, introducing the Charter of Fundamental
Rights into European primary law, providing for new solidarity
mechanisms and ensuring better protection of European citizens.
* Citizens' rights and Charter of Fundamental Rights: the Treaty of
Lisbon preserves existing rights while introducing new ones. In
particular, it guarantees the freedoms and principles set out in the
Charter of Fundamental Rights and gives its provisions a binding legal
force. It concerns civil, political, economic and social rights.
Mr Maud could you please answer the following questions
1. Does the UK Government accept ethnic English people together with
people of all ethnicities as possessing equal human rights? Yes or No
2. Does the UK Government accept ethnic English Ethnicity being
accepted as all other ethnicities are within the UK? Yes or No.
3. As with all other ethnicities, are/will the ethnic English and
ethnic English persons be able to state and write that they are ethnic
English on all Government, NHS, Educational, County Council, and all
other official forms etc? Yes or No.
4. When the those of English ethnicity write or state they are ethnic
English persons/person will they be accepted and recorded as being so,
without any refusal to accept them, or alteration of their entry, or
their entry being recorded differently by those who are requesting form
completions and those asking questions, and by other interested parties.
Yes or No?
5. Does the Government believe in equality for all and accept that all
have the right to recognition everywhere before the law as a person, and
that people of all ethnicities and ethnic persons possess equal human
rights (this includes the Ethnic English) ? Yes or No
If all the answers to all the above questions are yes, then equality
shall prevail and those people of ethnic English ethnicity will be
finally accepted and respected just as all other ethnicities within the
UK. And they will then be part of the Prime Minster’s Big Society and be
able to participate in it fully and equally. And as mentioned the UK
Government as a member of the European Union, will then be complying
correctly with its obligations, lawful duties and responsibilities as
mentioned above, including the Treaty of Lisbon. And as stated by the
(European Parliament states ‘The European Parliament accepts people of
all ethnicities as possessing equal human rights’ ... ‘it is
particularly a matter for the government of the UK to ensure that all
ethnicities within the UK are equally treated and respected’ …)
Can I say that if the Government claims it is not the Government’s nor
Civil Service responsibility, remit, policy or duty to accept a
particular ethnicity nor particular ethnic persons. …Then it is not the
Government’s nor Civil Service responsibility, remit, policy or duty to
accept any particular ethnicity or particular ethnic persons.
This means the Government’s commitment and requirements on Ethnicity
Monitoring, Ethnic Quotas’ Race Relations and Equality would be null and
void. As all these can only be implemented and achieved by Government
and Civil Service accepting and recording of particular ethnicities and
So it is a case of the Government accepting all people of all
ethnicities within the UK, and accepting they all possess equal human
rights. Or the Government accepting none, which means the government
does not accept people of all ethnicities as possessing equal human
rights, nor accepts them as ethnic persons.
I look forward to your reply