Today we had a highly revealing and significant exchange in the House of Commons, during Prime Minister's Questions. Here is a transcript:-
12:21 22 February 2012
Frank Field MP:
“Given what the Prime Minister said last week in Scotland, will he devote as much time to facing up to the grievances that the English feel, from the current proposals of devolution, as he will be giving to considering new proposals of devolution for Scotland? Will he open a major debate here in the House, on the English Question? So that members from all parts of the House can advise him on what measures of devolution England needs, if we are to gain equity with other countries in the United Kingdom?”
12:24 22 February 2012
David Cameron PM:
“We have obviously set up the West Lothian Group to look at this Issue, and obviously we want to make sure that Devolution works for everyone in the United Kingdom, but I would part company slightly with the Right Honourable Gentleman, for this reason, that I believe the United Kingdom has been an incredibly successful partnership between all its members and I think that actually, far from wanting to appeal to English People that in any way to sort of nurture a grievance they may feel, I want to appeal to my fellow Englishmen to say, this has been a great partnership; a great partnership for Scotland; but a great partnership for England too; of course Scotland must makes its choice, but we hope that Scotland will choose to remain in this partnership, that has done so well for the past 300 years"
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This reply from David Cameron is disingenuous as to the remit of his West Lothian Question Commission which has no power to consider the English Question generally. I did an article about this commission here.
How strange for Cameron to now try to call himself an "Englishman" when, despite being an MP for an English seat, he declared to the BBC's Andrew Marr, that he wasn't going to do anything about the unfair extra funding formula for Scotland because "I'm a Cameron" and "there is quite a lot of Scottish blood flowing through these veins." Could he now be trying to bamboozle us that he is one of us after all?
Also it should make it crystal clear to anyone with ears to hear that neither he nor the Tories will ever be interested in doing what is right and fair by the English nation. Also it shows that we need our own party to (politically) force the British Unionist Establishment to do right or to replace them!
Help us make it so!
The tories and the liberals et al are all in the same party - the military industrial credit party that detests nationhood, homogeneous nations and people and absoloute values that can't be eroded. As a scion of a banking family Cameron has the desires and wishes of the English people last.He is a traitor and a schmuck.
ReplyDeleteYes but what the hell can we do about it? Nigel Farage tells the self-appointed leaders of Europe how evil and callous they are, especially with respect to their imposing of a non-democratic hell on the Greek people; but they just smirk as if they know powerful people are protecting them and the peoples of Europe are gradually being trapped in something as non-democratic and totalitarian as the third reich, the soviet union or Mao's China, a 1984 style Marxist empire. They know that Europeans will be able to do nothing as there will soon be no democracy left and we will be powerless credit slaves. Plus there will soon be no European nations left in the historical sense anyway. I am pinning my hopes on the Greek elections in April and a nationalist backlash that will allow them their pride back as the home of democracy. But I am becoming as depressed and despairing as many of my fellow Englishmen and fellow Europeans. It would seem that if the result of their election has already decided then only violence will help them out of this hell. I wonder whether the EU is already planning a multi-national force to crush such a rebellion and the same if the English finally rebel against their planned extinction as a nation and a people.
DeleteBrave men and women need to challenge the liberal orthodoxy. My wife has refused to be involved with a project at her place of study which promotes the teaching of homosexuality and trans gender 'lifestyles' to primary school children with whom she works in a state school. Until evils like this are challenged by decent people the band will keep on playing the same old tune. Fight.
DeleteI agree , off the knees and go for them
DeleteCameron does not give a monkey's about his own people. He promotes homosexuality and trans gender for schools. What the hell is going on. He gives foreign aid to rogue states knowing full well that it will fall into the hands of despots, then subsequently it will be used to buy weapons to kill UK soldiers.
DeleteThis unelected Prime Minister needs to be voted out, and the sooner the better.
Vote UKIP.
Why would we want to vote UKIP? They haven't got an answer to this!
DeleteI note Mr CAMERON refers to the English people as 'they' - Freudian slip?
ReplyDeleteI agree with all above comments. I am a Welsh woman living in England married to an English man. I see the unjustice the English put up with. Why have we so many Scots in the English Government, Brown, Blair and Now Cameron. The English are only asking to be treated as fairly as Scotland, Wales and Ireland, and I for one support them.
DeleteCameron thinks he can take the English people for granted and that was probably true for the past decade. The recent IPPR report shows that while the 'dog has not yet barked' it is getting very restless. Cameron may come to regret his remarks. Just remember when the time comes that this is the man who does not want to be PM 'just of England'. Let's try to make sure he never does.
ReplyDeleteIn this period of economic and social stagnation we have people like Cameron who is a creature adopted and nurtured by powerful vested interests inside the conservative part. On his own he is nobody, he has no policies no internal compass. He just strives for soundbites and popularity by adopting utterly trivial matters. Like 'Racism in Sport'. Since when has the Prime Minister of the Uk decided that it his proper duty to deal with muddied oafs on the football field making racist comments.
ReplyDeleteIt is a joke, he is a joke, but he is extremely dangerous joker as well
Cameron has no experience of life and that of the English Nation as a whole. He will do anything to remain Prime Minister. He is probably the most devious and untrustworthy Prime Minister this country has had to suffer - and we've had some bright specimens! We MUST promote an English backlash whatever method it takes so that we have a commanding say in United Kingdom politics commensurate with our industrial and economic strength. The Scots are great people and we must have them as equal, staunch allies treating each other equably and with mutual respect. To hell with Salmond Cameron and their ilk.
ReplyDeleteAmen and Amen
DeleteA Cameron supporting English views, think about it, don't make me laugh. make as much sense as PMQ's should be renamed as PM's answers as we never get one.
ReplyDeleteA Cameron putting the English viewpoint, don't make me laugh!
ReplyDeleteCameron is part Scottish,part English, part Jew and part
ReplyDeleteRoyal. The poor MF must be completely mixed up, how does he choose his identity? He certainly has no love of England or any of the people of this island.He's part of the money system,answerable to his handler who reports back to Rothschild. His enthusiastic backing of Turkey's entrance to the EU is indicative of his motives. Why would Europe want an unproductive itinerant Moslem population of 80 million peasants to have access to the cradle of civilisation? No British patriot would EVER want that.
Politicians are all liars who will say anythinhg to keep us quiet. I remember that in the 1960s, I was informed by my then MP that primary immigration from Asia had stopped. And he was Labour.
ReplyDeletePerhaps it's time that we English Shrugged Off Camoron
ReplyDeleteI see that Jack Straw, who hates England and the English and any other homogeneous European nations - after all he is part of the Marxist putsch that has high-jacked the working man's party - has said that the European parliament should be abolished. We know that the parliament is largely a talking shop but it is also a platform for the nationalist parties of Europe. So I smell a rat, namely that he wants to ensure that UKIP and other nationalist parties here do not grind the lib lab cons in the dirt come the next European elections. Even though the laugh at him the Barroso bully boys do have to listen to Nigel Farage and the rest of Europe listens too and he often gets a round of applause which must really upset the little dictators.
ReplyDeleteEveryone of you are such sad people living in a sad sad tunnel of hate and fear..... If you are all so good stand for election on your policies of hate and see if you get elected to our House of Commons... After all it has worked so well for partied like the BNP lol!!!!! I have strong ENGLISH roots but I'm proud to call myself BRITISH!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteYou don't read the news updates on here much do you. That is why we now have an English Democrate's Party, so that people can stand for election. You may have strong English roots, but are not English. I AM PROUD TO CALL MYSELF ENGLISH.
DeleteYou have to blame Blair and Labour for this whole sorry mess. I used to live in the North of England where we used to hate Southerners and we would have been quite happy to separate from them. Where does this isolationism end - maybe when we are living in our independent county states?
DeleteThe best form of government would be to get rid of the political parties and then decide on the major issues by referenda.
Lmao.... Comment visible after approval..... So let's be honest anyone who disagrees won't be seen..... A jolke of a party and a joke of a website!
ReplyDeleteI go on lots of sites that check the entries before putting them on. Stops idiots from trying to state opposing views by using nothing but profanities. For a start they've put your's on here and if you can be bothered to look about there are a few who disagree with us. Now if you want to attack us English, use a genuine, intelligent arguement.
DeleteWhat I find most worrying is that even when people were recently given a chance to improve democracy by changing our voting system to more representative one (however slight) they threw it away.
ReplyDeletePeople are either sufficiently stupid that they will never make the right decision (easily talked out of it by Cameron et al), or they just don't care enough about the real issues to focus on them come election day. My guess is a bit of both.
It's always been a great irony to me that everyone you speak to will moan and ggroan about the politicians we have and how useless the 3 main parties are, and yet almost everyone will vote for one of those 3 main parties each time.
It's simple, next time someone mones to anyof us about the usual stuff just tell them to vote for ANYONE other than the 3 main parties - bet they won't though!
All you people who are so against Cameron I pity you, I really do. Do you think things would be better under Labour? Of course you do as you have no idea of government, you just sit back and talk like a load of old women but dont do anything about it. It was Labour who started this, giving scotland the powers they have so they'd vote for them, labour who have screwed up this country. But hey, vote how you wish, its obvious you don't care about the country. Enjoy the EU jackboot on your neck when it comes.
ReplyDeleteNo it won't get better under any of the main stream parties. That why a new party has been formed. Up until now, I've always voted independent. I may not agree with all their policies, but as least they vote in the house as they believe right, not as they're told to by a 'leader'.
DeleteThere is no such thing as an Englishman nowadays. The continuing infiltration by foreigners and the dilution of English culture by them and the politically correct crap spouted by the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats (Democrats? That's a laugh), now aided and abetted by Cameroron (yes that is spelt correctly), is ensuring that England will be ****** and finished by 2025 at the latest.
ReplyDeleteI think you'd be surprised how many second generation imigrants consider themselves English.
DeleteWHAT I THINK IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY FOR FAR TOO LONG NOW THAT ARE,NT INTERESTED IN THE ENGLISH PEOPLE AND WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR COUNTRY.WHAT WE WANT IS A GOOD ENGLISH PRIMISTER WHO HAS OUR INTERESTS AT NEED INSTEAD OF THEIR OWN SELFISH INTERESTS AND OTHERS ALSO THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS COUNTRY WHAT SO EVER.ONE DAY JUST ONE DAY WE,LL GET WHAT WE WANT.XXX.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree with the above comments, the English and the interests of England have been ignored for too long. Well if he is a Cameron, why doesn't to go and run Scotland then!
ReplyDeleteNone of the major politicians seem to care about English needs and opinions and to be quite honest I am fed up with them. I think the English should start looking after themselves for a change. Ig many of these politicians feel nothing for nations or self-loathe themselves well why don't they all go and live on a small island somewhere and stop ditacting to everyone else. They don't like English opinions because they'd rather follow a destructive policy of destroying cultures and nations - well why don't they do it somewhere else then
ReplyDeleteDEVOLUTION FOR BOGNOR...OH AND EVERYWHERE ELSE INCLUDING STREETS AND HOUSES..
ReplyDeleteSorry to mention Nigel Farage again but he has just said much the same, namely that nearly all our politicians now are career politicians ( the main leaders immensely wealthy ) who have never done a proper job in their lives and don't give a monkeys for the England and the English, in fact they are hell bent on the destruction of both. He also said that in Athens recently 80,000 Greeks were preparing to storm the parliament and burn it to the ground. Eventually, the way things are going there I am sure it will come to that. In my dreams I see 80,000 Englishmen and women storming the House of Commons but most seem petrified of even joining a party such as this one or UKIP. We are already in a Soviet bloc/North Korea/China situation where nobody dares vote for anybody but the one party ( three parties in one ) state. Somebody recently said we were divided before Hastings and that is why we lost - wrong - we were a very united country but had to fight on two fronts. We defeated the Norwegians and put an end to Viking raids for good. Not much comfort though since we were so worn out by marching north and south again at a rate of knots that we then got clobbered by the Normans, although even there we almost won. As regards Greece, yes, Farage tells us the EU have already rigged the April election there. Will somebody go and sound Drake's drum please. It is probably our only hope. By the way, regarding the above comment, they are destroying cultures and nations not just here but from Canada to Australia and from Norway to Greece, the whole of the European world. Is that not enough for you?
ReplyDeleteThere is no Labour Party any more, Blair had the title "Labour" attached but was more tory than a lot of tories and he, like all of the other top politicians/career politicians, live tory lifestyles and dont really do much for the millions as they cannot makesingular judgements and carry out personal preferences in the house of commons due to being ordered to vote as a party. Cameron got hold of the threads, Thatcher, left and is quickly decimating all working class lifestyles in a way Thatcher would of liked to if she had held on for another term in office. If a party can represent England, without a manifesto that has any facist leanings, I think a lot of people would turn heads toward them. There hasnt been a Labour Party since John Smiths death, therefore I would rather vote for the greens than the big 3. Im English first, British second; Blair, Cameron and others like them are whatever keeps the rich in a position to be richer and just give the working people enough to keep them quiet. While these people are at University they have ideals that are thrown away for to make money and grab fame when they can. Personally, Im a socialist in the true sense the Labour party stood for once, but there is no such fairness in any of the big parties.
ReplyDeleteThe English keep electing Labour and the Tories because "Better the Devil you know".
ReplyDeleteI think they haven't had it hard enough yet.
The Scots will get "Devo Max" because their Westminster Rievers are fond of their expense accounts.
When Holyrood starts gloating then I think the tide will begin to turn.But it will come from within Westminster.
As for the 4th Reich,it will Balkanise eventually.
To quote Gibbon,"We shouldn't ask why it failed,we should wonder it lasted so long!"
Temeraire.
George Osborne said yesterday that we had run out of money ( well it's all gone to the bankers in New York probably ) so how much worse does it have to get?. Nearly every European nation is now in hock to the bankers and we are all being turned into credit slaves just the way they wanted. If you even mention Nigel Farage's name people look at you as if you are some sort of dangerous looney. They just cannot believe that the main parties treat the electorate as a bunch of naive fools so they carry on voting for them. Didn't Mr Cameron tell them in Brussels, eh? - well no.
DeleteThey believe everything just as they did during the First World War - or perhaps German soldiers really did impale Belgian babies on their bayonets. I'm getting tired of waiting for the EU to collapse. Can't the doctor give it a shot of morphine and put us out of our misery? I assume the German Bundestag let their own people down by agreeing Gauleiterin Merkel's latest bail-out for Greece. No democracy in Germany either then.
Interesting last comments which I agree, Anglophobic plotters within parliament,the BBC in the EU ! England needs to get more organised increase the hostility in making the case for the English.
ReplyDeleteWe need more people to wake up and exit their little bubble, because this spitefulness will not go away, by turning a blind eye . They " ENGLISH " will ALL have to Stand up and be counted.
Cameron is seen by the Scots as 'that Tory English man' He is seen by the English as 'that Anti English Jock'. It would appear that he and his policies a fuelling the anger between the Countries of the union, or is this the plan?
ReplyDeleteSo just what benefits do the 55 million English citizens get then from this unequal union?
ReplyDeleteHow can the union survive when there is not equality and equlibrium within that union? That is surely a contradiction in terms. Unless England is granted a parliament with the same political powers that the others have then the union is inevitably doomed caused mainly by from the growing resentment and bitterness of her foresaken and victimised citizens.
Therefor I ask are Chameleon Cameron, Clanger Clegg & Moribund Milliband more talk than trousers when they proclaim that they wish to retain the Union or are they surreptiously conniving with their masters in Washington & Brussels to see the only possible and credible threat to their insidious imperialistic agendas & aspirations divided and broken up by making us economically, politically and militarily weaker?
Just who benefits from a divided kingdom and the end of the special bond we share not only within a true, balanced, fair and equal United Kingdom but with the special relationship we have with our Commonwealth associates and kin?
Are both Brussels & Washington secretly conspiring and have they since the end of World War 2 when Britain was truly great and influential?
If you perceive these suggestions to be highly preposterous, paranoid and those of a deluded madman then I ask you this.
Why since World War 2 have we dismantled, reduced, curtailed, destroyed, weakened, degraded our military, our industry (ie motor, fishing,textiles, brewing and now its seems our finance),our public utilities, our NHS, our postal service, our judiciaral sentencing powers for serious crimes, our prison service, our educational institutions and now our police. All of the above have either been subjected to constant cuts or privatisation with obscene increases in costs to the public and bonuses to the new company directors.
Why oh why have those who governed our once proud nation who stood united against the forces of tyranny and hate systematically and ruthlessly dismantled the crown jewels that made Britain the force she was and the envy of the world?
I have never been a avid supporter of the union however I accuse those who were custodians of the United Kingdom since World War 2 with gross neglect, incompetence and the highest treason.
Thanks to their crass act of sheer folly and betrayal of the people the union might never recover and that can only benefit our detractors, competitors and enemies.
You may not agree with my hypothesis but have you a better explanation?
The tragedy is that despite my meticulous consideration of the facts I have yet to find a more credible and rational explanation for this wanton behaviour. I shall leave it for you others to make up your own mind.
Britain was Great but now we are just divided to our detriment.
We were betrayed by our own and still are!
I would consider it Every English Person's Duty to ensure the Conservatives lose their last, one and only MP in Scotland, then they'll learn about loyalty and how much the Scots give damn.
ReplyDeleteIt would be in the interests of every person in England to do their duty to ensure the Conservatives only and last MP in Scotland does not get elected. Then the Tories will learn about Loyalty and how much the Scotls give a damn.
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