I recently had the following amusing and instructive email exchange with an Ex-UKIPper from the West Midlands, who, while posing as a friend, hoped to be as the proverb says:-
“As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife”.
See how successful he was!
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From: paulb
To: robintilbrook
Sent: 07/09/2011 23:20:47 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Its over your Dream
Robin
With the Cuts now Biting and the country on its knees your Dream of an English Parliament is now over people have far more important things that concern them.
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From: paulb
To: robintilbrook
Sent: 07/09/2011 23:27:27 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Smaller parties
Robin I have told you so many times that the only show in town as Regards the smaller parties is UKIP the rest havnt a cat in hells chance.The EDP cannot compete with them
With less than 48 hours to go to the start of the UKIP 2011 Annual Conference in Eastbourne, the latest poll from Angus Reid clearly shows that UKIP is the fourth largest party in the country.
The poll, which puts UKIP on 7%, asked participants which party they would be most likely to support if a General Election was held tomorrow.
Labour scored 39%, Conservatives 33% and the Liberal Democrats 11%. The SNP polled 5% whilst the Green Party and the BNP were level at 2%.
In the Midlands and Wales, UKIP is only 1% behind the Liberal Democrats.
UKIP starts its two day conference in Eastbourne on Friday with a number of speakers covering key areas such as housing, energy, crime, long term care, defence, education and overseas aid.
A number of leading names from the Eurosceptic movement from across Europe will also be speaking including Timo Soini, Leader of the True Finns.
UKIP Leader Nigel Farage said: "These figures show that UKIP is leaving the other smaller parties behind as more and more voters conclude that UKIP is the political party that is speaking their language on a number of important issues.
"I also believe that many are fed up of the same old faces and empty promises when it comes to so-called 'big three' parties and are looking for a credible alternative.
"Increasingly UKIP is becoming their party of choice."
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 8:56
Subject: Re: Its over your Dream
Thanks but I don't agree
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 08/09/2011 14:02:30 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Its over your Dream
You are Living in a World of your Own Robin.
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In a message dated 08/09/2011 15:55:49 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
Robin
Oh Dear me Robin I have being followiong things over the months from stuff forwarded on to me I see you are being Swamped with Extreme elements of the far rightfrom the BNP.Not a very good Idea that Robin it will all end in tears
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From: paulb
To: robintilbrook
Sent: 07/09/2011 23:27:27 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Smaller parties
Robin I have told you so many times that the only show in town as Regards the smaller parties is UKIP the rest havnt a cat in hells chance.The EDP cannot compete with them
With less than 48 hours to go to the start of the UKIP 2011 Annual Conference in Eastbourne, the latest poll from Angus Reid clearly shows that UKIP is the fourth largest party in the country.
The poll, which puts UKIP on 7%, asked participants which party they would be most likely to support if a General Election was held tomorrow.
Labour scored 39%, Conservatives 33% and the Liberal Democrats 11%. The SNP polled 5% whilst the Green Party and the BNP were level at 2%.
In the Midlands and Wales, UKIP is only 1% behind the Liberal Democrats.
UKIP starts its two day conference in Eastbourne on Friday with a number of speakers covering key areas such as housing, energy, crime, long term care, defence, education and overseas aid.
A number of leading names from the Eurosceptic movement from across Europe will also be speaking including Timo Soini, Leader of the True Finns.
UKIP Leader Nigel Farage said: "These figures show that UKIP is leaving the other smaller parties behind as more and more voters conclude that UKIP is the political party that is speaking their language on a number of important issues.
"I also believe that many are fed up of the same old faces and empty promises when it comes to so-called 'big three' parties and are looking for a credible alternative.
"Increasingly UKIP is becoming their party of choice."
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 8:56
Subject: Re: Its over your Dream
Thanks but I don't agree
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 08/09/2011 14:02:30 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Its over your Dream
You are Living in a World of your Own Robin.
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In a message dated 08/09/2011 15:55:49 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
Robin
Oh Dear me Robin I have being followiong things over the months from stuff forwarded on to me I see you are being Swamped with Extreme elements of the far rightfrom the BNP.Not a very good Idea that Robin it will all end in tears
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 17:10
Subject: Re: Wrong course
Simply not true
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 08/09/2011 19:02:42 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Wrong course
yes it is and it will all end in tears.
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In a message dated 08/09/2011 19:17:34 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
Private and Confidential
There is Growing Speculation that John Botting who has being looking for a way out has now got one I am hearing he is about to Resign as so called leader of One England because UKIP could be about to announce tomorrow they are adopting an English Parliament policy so botting will then re join UKIP.
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:20
Subject: Re: John Botting
Yes I am not surprised by this. They are and I have helped them frame it
Robin
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In a message dated 08/09/2011 20:53:48 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
Dont talk Rubbish Robin how have you made them frame it.
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:03
Subject: Re: John Botting
We have had regular meetings. They approved it today
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 09/09/2011 07:35:07 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: John Botting
why dont you merge them makes sense
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:58
Subject: Re: John Botting
Their policy was approved unanimously by the NEC yesterday is intended to give sufficient to England to preserve the Union by basically following the Cranbourne model of reforms to the HofC and HofL - a big step in the right direction and will apply pressure on the Establishment to shift. Do you like our new website and my blog?
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 09/09/2011 15:58:10 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: John Botting
Robin
You didnt answer my question what about merging EDP and UKIP.Your website is superb and your blog is eexcellent I have heard that a few UKIP activists From Stone were about to defect to EDP.But this latest news will stop such defections now.
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From: paulb
To: robintilbrook
Sent: 09/09/2011 16:26:13 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: UKIP English Parliament policy a disaster for the union
Robin
As a Unionist UKIPs policy is a Disaster and would lead to the enviable Break up of the United Kingdom I could never ever support such a policy.UKIP are going down the wrong road..
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In a message dated 09/09/2011 16:38:23 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
I Urge all UKIP member delegates at the Conference to vote against this policy its a DISASTER for the UNION.
Please Circulate to as many as possible. policy attached in Email this morning
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 23:53
Subject: Re: UKIP members must vote against English parliament policy
WILL ANYONE PAY ANY ATTENTION?
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In a message dated 10/09/2011 01:36:50 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
There is a great deal of concern about this policy it has rotten English Nationalist finger prints all over it and its a disaster for the Union your policy would lead to the break up of our country.The dangers of English Nationalism head as risen
You Robin and English Nationalists like you are as much a danger to our country as that of the SNP and Plaid it was you that said the EDP was Englands version of the SNP to damn right you are.Your agenda is a ticking time bomb.
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 8:04
Subject: Re: UKIP members must vote against English parliament policy
I am surprised at you. I don't know whether we are more of a threat than the SNP yet but we are determined to fight for England and to win that fight and we are making real progress. I regard "turning" the only real British Patriotic party as a coup!
However it is a coup which will be most useful in applying pressure on the Establishment Unionist parties and that is where the focus now will turn to.
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 10/09/2011 16:05:07 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: UKIP members must vote against English parliament policy
you can be surprised at me all you like your reckless agenda will destroy the union.you are only surprised what robin because i dont support you and possibly UKIPs stance.Me Never your agenda is quite simple and it will lead to the break up of my country not this pathetic stuff you spout about a federal uk.The evil face of English Nationalism has reared its Ulgly head and it must be faced down and defeated and I promise you this Robin I and others and Unionists everywhere will Unite to defeat you.
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: 10/09/2011 20:37:49 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: UKIP members must vote against English parliament policy
Excellent - bring it on!
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From: paulb
To: robintilbrook
Sent: 10/09/2011 16:57:31 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: UKIP English parliament policy not yet offical party policy
the feed back is robin that this is merely a proposaland it will be rejected and be binned yes it has the backing of the NEC.but theres a new NEC to be voted in soon and lobbying is already starting and there is quite a lot of opposition to this policy proposal.
also see below in last few lines
Mr Farage, who was re-elected leader last year for his second stint, also asked party members to consider proposals for an English parliament.
Following devolution, he said English people "feel used and under-represented" and that the unity of the UK has been weakened by the process.
However, a decision on officially adopting the idea as party policy is not expected for some time.
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In a message dated 10/09/2011 18:36:38 GMT Daylight Time, paulb writes:
as far as i am now concerned i am breaking off all contact with you robin and any elements of the EDP/English Nationalism.
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From: paulb
To: robintilbrook
Sent: 10/09/2011 18:38:58 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: remove me from your email list
Robin
please remove me from your email listings i want nothing further to do with you.
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:57
Subject: Re: breaking off contact
I thought that you were out of contact for some time until you thought that you would have some fun and bait me!
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 11/09/2011 00:00:57 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: breaking off contact
Remove me from your Email Adress Book I still get round robin emails from you I do not want anything to do with you or any section of English Nationalism you say bait then say bring it on you are a very silly man Robin with that kind of baiting you will be sorry ypu ever said it now remove my email adress from your address book..You will be defeated thats not a threat thats a promise.The EDP will now be exposed from all sections of Unionism
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: 11/09/2011 00:09:16 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: breaking off contact
Great - as the man said "Publish and be damned!"
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:21
Subject: Check out Bloggers4UKIP: UKIP now supports devolution Bloggers4UKIP: UKIP now supports devolution
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From: paulb
To: RobinTilbrook
Sent: 12/09/2011 23:01:08 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Check out Bloggers4UKIP: UKIP now supports devolution
Robin
Why have you sent me this I am not Interested please as Indicated remove me from your email address book as requested.I as I have said will now go out of my way over the coming months Years or how ever long it takes me and others to help destroy the ulgy face of English Nationalism working with others you wanted a war and boasted great bring it on very very foolish man you are robin making an enemy of me.A word of advice Mr Tilbrooke I can be a good friend but by christ i can be a terrible enemy. Robin you will regret the day you tried to be a smart arse in your email with me the way you baited me.you wont have a clue whats happening in your own party as we speak.Over the coming months and years or however long it takes me and others we will see the job through to its conclusion.Happy hunting
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From: RobinTilbrook
To: paulb
Sent: 13/09/2011 01:51:22 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Check out Bloggers4UKIP: UKIP now supports devolution
Bit of a silly thing to write isn't it Paul. English Nationalism has many enemies throughout the British Establishment. So welcome to their club!
Better to have an open enemy than a secret one.
"When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart."
Also, it now seems, that I gave you more credit for open mindedness and intelligence than you may have deserved. I thought that you might have been interested in an analysis from someone within UKIP who is also hostile to the English Democrats.
In any case I will now leave off making any further contact with you and have deleted you from my circulation list. Kindly do likewise unless you are able to control your spleen better in future.
Robin
Haha! I quite enjoyed that exchange. Clearly a rather confused chap, is paulb.
ReplyDeleteThe one point he made which I thought WAS of merit was ex BNP activists. I know of at least two ex BNPers for whom singing the English Democrats' praises via their blogs is a regular hobby, now that they've fallen out with mad Nick Griffin.
Do you really want people like that publicly endorsing the party?
Why can't ex-BNPers support the EDP? It is the management of the BNP that is the issue, not the members
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A very interesting exchange Robin.
ReplyDeleteClearly some very strange people appear to have set their sights on our party over the past few weeks!
"The one point he made which I thought WAS of merit was ex BNP activists"
ReplyDeleteUnsurprisingly, he has made no comment...
Oh, good lord. It is said that politics is show business for the ugly, but, sadly, it is also a sideshow for the unpleasant. Many moons ago, I was a member of the Labour Party in Scotland, and local branch and constituency life was horribly marred by this sort of bile. The truth is that people can be odd, and worse. Oh well. However, I would echo Alex's comments about ex-BNPers, and, indeed, current BNPers, and our party. We need to be making something new, and we must not be associated with nastiness from the past. Forward to a better, comprehensively decent England.
ReplyDeleteRobin, on a different note, would you like to comment on SNP Swinney's 'Tesco tax' on supermarkets in Scotland. Seems like a jolly good idea to me, given the damage to the fabric of England done by the big retailers.
ReplyDeleteHi Robin,
ReplyDeleteWhat foolish comment from this individual. Surely as I have stated before UKIP is pursuing a course of self destruct, how can it call on the support of the Celtic element to quite Europe or even expect it to. When Europe is courting those nation states behind the scenes. Those Celtic nations structures need an external source of funding, we know that and they know that. Eire being a perenial example.
So I am sorry for Paulb, he is clearly as Farage is self delusional, if they feel that UKIP has any chance of support from Celtic nations to quite Europe, they cannot afford to!
England forever as it can and will survive the Europe fiasco.......
Regards
Peter J.