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Sunday, 6 November 2011

The EU - The Green vision! A democracy?

I have just been sent a link to an interesting article on EU governance. My correspondent wondered:-
"Dear Robin, Can you believe it that they would say such things about the EEC, the head of the Green Party who got elected in Brighton as well!
I replied:- "Yes she is thinking that the EU is a single nation state rather than a collection of nations"
The true meaning of the word "Democracy" is embedded in the origin word itself. It is derived from ancient Greek and means the 'Rule of the Demos'. The Demos is nothing less than the Sovereign People.
In the paradymn state of ancient democracy , that of the Polis of ancient Athens, a man could not be a citizen unless both of his parents were Athenian citizens. Interestingly every male citizen was duty bound to attend meetings of the citizen Assembly to vote on the political issues of the day or he would be branded as an "Idiot".
A fundamental precondition of democracy is to have a clear idea of what constitutes the People (citizen body). The Internationalist/Globalist EU lacks even a rudimentary notion of Popular Sovereignty and so in no meaningful sense is it a Democracy let alone a proper Nation state based upon the idea of nationhood. Multi national entities with a state structure imposed from above are usually called 'Empires'!

The article was posted on October 27, 2011 by Thomas More Institute

Common Cause on the European Union’s Flaws

The parliamentary debate which occurred on Monday, upon a non-binding motion proposing that a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU be held, has been widely portrayed as a debate internal to the Conservative party, with its leadership and frontbench squaring up to those on the backbenches. More specifically, the issue has been portrayed as a battle between the Tory Right and Mr. Cameron’s more liberal government. An article in The Guardian was headlined, ‘Cameron’s Little Englanders need some German Lessons’.

It has not been adequately noticed, however, that one of those who spoke in favour of the motion on Monday was the MP for Brighton Pavilion, Caroline Lucas. She is leader of the Green Party, a body not noted for advocating ‘right-wing’ policies or for its Euroscepticism-rather, quite the reverse in both fields.

In the debate Ms. Lucas declared:

In my experience, many of today’s European citizens are simply no longer sure what the EU is for. In my view, the ambitious free trade project at the heart of its original treaties has become an end in itself. Debates about the future of the EU have been dominated by the idea that the overriding goals of European integration are economic and that the progress of the EU should be judged in terms of economic growth and the removal of market barriers alone. As a result, the EU has failed to address fundamental questions of political culture and strategic purpose and has therefore also failed to inspire the mass of citizens with a sense of enthusiasm and common cause, thus calling into question its own legitimacy.

In order to tackle the new threats and challenges we face today and to deliver a fair, sustainable and peaceful Europe into the 21st century and beyond, the EU must undergo radical reform. It must become more democratic and accountable, less bureaucratic and remote. It also needs to have a more compelling vision of its role and purpose, and a referendum would provide an opportunity to debate precisely those issues. To try to shut down that opportunity is, I think, very dangerous. It is possible to be pro a reformed EU and in favour of a referendum.

Ms. Lucas went on to criticise the European Constitution/Lisbon Treaty saga as ‘extraordinary arrogance’. Ms. Lucas’s speech is interesting on account of the attention it gave to the flaws and problems of the current EU rather than for anything she had to say about remedies and solutions. She highlighted the democratic deficit.

A democracy that works?

Every five years there takes place the usual electoral rigmaroles of candidate selection, campaigns and late-night vote-counting for the European Parliament. Members are elected and groups formed within the Parliament of like-minded parties from the different nations. It might be expected by the naive that the largest grouping would form an administration, and the second largest an opposition, with smaller groups also in opposition. Individual members might then, in our dreams, also be able to use their mandate to introduce legislative proposals, with the majority administration mounting a serious programme. None of this in fact happens.

The largest grouping has only the privilege of nominating one of its own to act as President of the Commission. The ‘Ministers’ or Commissioners are nominated by the member states and do not have to accord politically with the largest grouping in the Parliament. This ‘government’ must act in accord with ‘European Interests’, something which is incredibly vague and has little to do with what the voters were presented with at the ballot box.

For a democracy to be properly democratic the leading figures in the executive must be accountable, directly and indirectly, to the electors. This accountability results in individuals’ performance in office being open to judgement over the decisions made and laws passed. Those who are elected must be endowed with a capacity for legislative initiative. Currently that is the prerogative solely of the unelected Commission, thereby rendering any meaningful manifesto commitment given by an individual running for election to the European Parliament as unachievable. The elected individual can only pass judgement upon, and amend, such legislation as is placed in front of him or her.

Arguments about the conflict between an individual nation’s sovereignty and the power and role of a body such as the EU, whilst of great importance, are not relevant to this particular issue. Nor are the relative advantages and disadvantages of democracy as contrasted with other forms of governance. The issue is that the cloak of a democracy which the EU vaunts, and advocates globally, is empty, for it is not practised within its own system of governance. That is the notable point made by the avidly pro-European Ms. Lucas.


  1. The facade of democracy is maintained with the treachery of the MSM and the mind bending of the establishment via its legitimate departments and the illegitimate 'quangos' that enforce the political dogma.They have conditioned silence and appeasement, forcing the things that are most important and thought of most often, to be talked about the least.
    The disgusting BBC and its claim to independence has utterly betrayed all the home nations. For example: a friend of mine has taken a OU course, in this course an introduction to the study of philosophy is given by various celebities and intellectuals whom have presumably studied the subject. My astonished friend related that among these introductions was one by Richard Dimbleby. La Dimbleby, Chair of R4's Any Questions, relates how the study of philosophy helps to collect arguments and clearly analyse those of others in order to understand and deconstuct them. He then apparently cites the example of how such clear analytical thinking can be used to 'destroy', for example, ' the racist and ignorant proposition that England was ever a white nation'.
    How can this absurd and indefensible assertion be allowed by a British University to be used as viable teaching material? And how can this man pretend to have any grasp on reality or impartially chair a weekly national debate.

    In order to try and prevent further rot all patriots should 'screw their courage to the sticing post' and challenenge episodes of nonsense like this flat out, only then will the scales begin to fall frome peoples eyes.

    Sorry about the mixed metaphors.

  2. Dumbleby is only a whore, he will say anything and do anything for money. The whole of the ABBC is riddled with totally anti-British bias, they even admit it. An English Dem government should dismantle and destroy the ABBC completely.{Anti British Broadcasting Corporation}.

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