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Saturday 11 July 2015

EVEL = English votes for English laws


In the light of the Conservative leadership's turgivations and proposals for English votes for English laws it is interesting to see what the Whitehall Civil Service briefing on EVEL says.

Here is the Ministry of Justice's internal briefing:-

The Government has announced its plans for changes to the process through which legislation is approved by the House of Commons.
Civil servants play an important role in preparing, refining, publicising, implementing, and enforcing legislation. As a result these changes are likely to impact on the work of a number of teams across the Department.

'English votes for English laws' will mean that bills, parts of bills and secondary legislation will be subject to a different Parliamentary process in certain circumstances.

The proposal will be implemented through changes to the internal rules of the House of Commons, and will be put to a vote before the summer recess, after which the change would come into effect. If approved, English votes for English laws would affect the way the Civil Service develops and delivers legislation.

How will it work?

The Speaker of the House of Commons would certify all bills, clauses or statutory instruments. A new Parliamentary process would then apply where the Speaker deems a bill, clause or schedule applies to England or England and Wales-only and relates to matters that are devolved to Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
The legislative process is then the same up to and including Report Stage - all MPs would continue to debate and vote together. The only exception to this is bills that are deemed England-only in their entirety will be considered at committee stage only by English MPs.

After Report Stage there would be a new process of consideration. This would allow only English, or English and Welsh, MPs to debate and vote on the relevant measures, thereby giving their consent or vetoing them. This process would also include a separate dispute-resolution process where the whole House and the English and Welsh MPs disagree. After this the bill would continue to Third Reading as before.

Secondary legislation would also be subject to the new rules. Those statutory instruments certified as entirely English, or English and Welsh will require the consent of the relevant MPs as well as the whole House if pressed to a vote on the floor of the House.
A more detailed explanation of the new process can be found on GOV.UK. Parliamentary process is complex and the Cabinet Office will circulate guidance to Departments following the approval of the House.

What does this mean for us?

If approved, this would mostly affect teams that prepare new legislation and work on supporting securing its progress through Parliament. It would also affect policy makers, who would need to consider carefully which parts of the UK their policies apply to and how best to legislate on them.

The Cabinet Office will be working closely with teams that could be directly affected to ensure they fully understand the new process and how to use it. If the proposals are approved, there will also be workshops for staff and learning opportunities available on Civil Service Learning will be updated. All staff are encouraged to make the most of these opportunities to familiarise yourself with the new process, even if your work may not be directly affected. As civil servants, we will need to be particularly conscious of this new process when speaking with stakeholders and seeking to gain support for legislation in Parliament.

These proposals will attract significant interest, particularly in the devolved administrations. It is therefore crucial that we are all consistent in how we communicate the policy externally. The Cabinet Office Press Office will lead on media handling so consult them about any media enquiries.

More information will be available but for further advice any teams working on legislation which will be introduced imminently should speak to the PBL Secretariat for primary legislation or the SI Hub in the Cabinet Office for secondary legislation.




57 comments:

  1. On the 10th of July, the government was forced to climbdown over its plans to force through English votes for English laws in the following week, after fears of a Commons defeat.

    Chris Grayling, the Tory leader of the House, announced that the government would redraft the proposals and postpone a vote until the autumn. It had been due to take place on Wednesday the 15th, but Tory backbenchers have raised the threat of a rebellion because they fear EVEL would, as currently proposed, put too much power in the Government's hands and restrict the ability of backbench Tory MPs. to influence the framing of English laws.

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    1. There is something Orwellian about EVEL which purports to be giving something to England (it's not clear what), but is actually framed in such a way as to silence MPs representing English seats.

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    2. We now live in an Orwellian world of subterfuge and double speak. For peace read war for a start. The one hope now is the agreement with Iran which will hopefully allow for the beginning of a consensus for peace in the Middle East and North Africa and a joint attack on the Islamic State by surrounding countries. But I won't hold my breath as Cameron is edging closer to taking us into Syria on behalf of that couple from hell, Salafist Saudi Arabia and Zionist Israel and their allies in London and Washington; both Wahabis and Zionists follow religions based on the first five books of the Bible, rejected by Christ, and which preach violence and the policy of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and take us back to the Middle East of 3,000 years ago.

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  2. I correspond with my M.P. quite a lot. I have tried to convince him that "No man can serve two masters" - he cannot serve Britain AND England. He (as always!) disagrees. He thinks he is both British AND English.
    When the British government trebled university fees for English students only, he voted "Strongly in favour" - (Hansard).
    So, it seemes probable that, if EVIL had been up and running when that vote was taken, it wouldn't have made a ha'p'orth of difference to the outcome. So called "English" M.P.s would have all have voted in favour, regardless of the implications for their teenaged English constituents.
    EVIL is so much eyewash.
    There is no such thing as an English M.P. There are only British M.P.s sitting for English constituencies.
    Clive,
    Weston-super-Mare.

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  3. according to House of Commons Library research, it is "not a simple matter" to count England-only bills. However, it adds that "whatever method is used, there are relatively few bills that unambiguously affect England only".

    That's not the end of the matter though. There could be sections of a bill that apply only in England, even when the legislation itself extends across the United Kingdom.
    In short, EVEL is a dog's dinner. The only way around it is English independence.

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  4. Here we go again! The usual ulterior motives and hidden agendas, typical of British rule,I would vehemently contest! In giving the English a say in policy development and implementation regarding those matters specifically effecting England.The British dominating Realm will hope to persuade the increasingly alienated English, that they are up to the task of being as the indispensable vehicle by and through which their interests can and will be met.The ULTERIOR MOTIVE behind this new found state initiative is to make redundant other forms of English representation, to include ED? Am I being realistic or just cynical?
    See my follow up comment and VITAL INFO!
    William Kearney.

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  5. Further to my first comment on EVEL where I suggest to British ulterior motives, so on. Keeping in the same train of thought and analysis, I offer my own warning born of direct experience.
    Do not be fooled by the gesture politics of a state seeking to pacify a wakening England with one hand, while simultaneously destroying it with the other!
    For any doubters out there regarding as to the veracity of my previous and current comments. I highly recommend you view the work of a fully independent analyst and researcher namely-Anthony (Tony) Shell. A true English man who makes his erudite work available to those fighting Englands corner. Visit these two (2) sites urgently!
    1) www.thisisourland.info 2) www.middan-geard.org -See document PDF Title-A House of Perfidy and High Treason. Study all of his meticulously researched work for they serve as tools to both empower and hopefully motivate and give courage to every English person!
    William Kearney.

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    1. William. Donald Henson in his origins of the Anglo-Saxons speaks of identities being destroyed by American led monolithic globalisation. This is coded speak for multiculturalism driven by the greed for money. But white America now has just a few decades left. And the browning of Europe is in train. England's identity was formed by the Anglo-Saxons making us different from our Celtic neighbours. It is this identity we must now fight to maintain as fiercely as we can. In a programme about Les Miserables last night we saw that the cast is now multicultural.
      It is not ok for whites to play Othello but non-Europeans who seem to have to live on our coat-tails can play Europeans.
      No more white Othellos as that is racist but to protest against non-Europeans playing Europeans is racist. Europeans can no longer win whatever they do. They are the targets for everything now. London has already fallen to monolithic globalisation and the rest of England and Europe will follow.

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    2. The English folk are indeed descended from the Angles and Saxons. Our language is also descended from Anglo-Saxon Old English, but since the Norman invasion it has become corrupted. The English must turn to New-English as our national language. It has words modelled on words from Old English as described by David Cowley in his book 'How We'd Talk if the English had won in 1066'. Another source of New-English words is the Anglish Moot website.
      I don't know if the English Democrats' statement of principles includes reference to New-English, but it would be a strange kind of nationalist party if it did not wish to see the revival of a pure English language, i.e., New-English.

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  6. Joanna Lumley in China last night told us that there are 33m more Chinese men than women. She suggested to a young man he seeks a bride abroad. No, this is a Chinese problem needing a Chinese solution not swamping Europe and stealing our women. The young man said that money in China is now everything, the trend having come from America. More monolithic globalisation and the spread of greed which is all that holds America together.

    The Greeks now want to leave the euro and build up their own country with their own hands. And end to financial totalitarianism. We all need to do the same and put an end to monolithic globalisation for the benefit of the bankers alone and the one per cent.

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  7. Anon 13/07/15-at 14:57
    Everything you mentioned is valid, except for "Europeans can no longer win whatever they do" WRONG!! The Justification for a fight back is contained in the momentous work available to read or download on the sites identified in my earlier comment. Put simply the site info provided are as a MUST READ for EVERY Indigenous person(s) that reside in these Islands, also the rest of Europe. I can guarentee that any Indigene to include disheartened English men like yourself that studies the brilliant articles available, will recognise GAME CHANGING INFO!!
    Be prepared to be fired up with a dose of the truth(albeit incendiary) enough to hit the injustice button within you! If the injustice factor does not stir you into action then you ain't NO ENGLISHMAN! This is not the time or place(England) to start POLITELY arranging the deck chairs!
    William Kearney.

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    1. I have looked up the two websites. It is all very inspiring but how will you ever get the sheeple to have the guts to fight back?
      I am awaiting the vote in the Greek parliament today. There is now a genuine possibility that there will be riots and other violence there. I wonder if this will be a test for what is to come in the EU and in the US and it will then send in foreign police forces and even armies to deal with it. Police and armed forces in Europe and the US are being prepared for a breakdown of law and order as people realise they are living in a prison created by international finance. But there are many in our forces at least who know what is going on and some who have left and are now openly speaking their minds when they realise that they would have been sacrificed as their colleagues have for an oligarchic elite who want to rule the world.

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  8. Nicola Sturgeon, the leader of the English Democrats' sister party, the SNP, has revealed that her party's opposition to changes to the Hunting Law is part of the SNP's strategy to put pressure on the UK Government, to get it to drop EVEL and set up an English Parliament instead.

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    1. If this is true then it is good news. If Scotland does not want a return to hunting and England does then this is the only way forward. How does this square with those who voted for Cameron and Osborne to stop SNP power at Westminster?

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    2. The SNP isn't at all interested in the hunting issue. They opportunistically used it to put pressure on Cameron over EVEL, and to push the case for an English parliament. Cameron didn't see it coming.
      None of the BBC's political gurus have drawn attention to the reason behind why the SNP acted as it did. I wonder why. It couldn't possibly be that the Tories are doing all they can to block an English parliament, could it?
      The Beeb's gurus have a mantra, probably straight from Tory party central office, which they repeat and that is the line that the English don't want an English parliament

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  9. Syriza has been defeated and the Rothschild controlled ECB has won.
    Golden Dawn may now be the only option there to escape the bankers' clutches. There is a rumour that Cameron is seeking an opt-out from the EU's working hours directive so we will be made to work till we drop.
    And if TTIP goes through we will have no holidays like the Yanks.
    But this creates a problem as to whether staying in the EU might not be better than coming out. Either way big banks and big business rule and democracy is dead; it is just a question of degree.

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  10. I see that the Wikipedia entry for the English Democrats no longer refers to the party as "far right", but it does refer to it as "right wing". It is neither "right" nor "left" but nationalist. A better description would be "nationalist and democratic".

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    1. I changed it to "Nationalist" but someone has changed it again to "Right-wing". That's a problem with Wikipedia, anyone can change anything at any time!
      Clive,
      W-s-M.

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    2. Nationalist is now regarded as being the equivalent of "far right" anywhere in European countries; but probably not in non-European countries. This is unless those countries are anti-English; and English is meant to mean erstwhile imperialist British even though the English were the first victims of the Norman British Empire. The only people not allowed to be nationalist are the English. Things were once so simple, homogeneous European nations were allowed to be nationalist and proud of it provided they did not bother their neighbours.
      But all that changed post-1945 as the agenda was for the abolition of the nation state and the creation of a borderless world and one world UN government. This has led to chaos everywhere for the benefit of a few oligarchs.

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    3. According to the establishment as represented by the BBC, Scottish nationalism, Welsh nationalism, Irish nationalism Ukraine nationalism, Croat nationalism - good:
      English nationalism, Ulster Scots nationalism, Russian nationalism, Serbian nationalism - bad.

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    4. Clive, not "everyone can change Wikipedia at any time". Its entries are moderated these days. you might find a formula such as "nationalist and democratic" or reference to "neither right nor left, but English", might get over the misleading "right wing" definition.

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  11. The Greeks are going to be made to sell off 50b euros' worth of assets for privatisation. Max Keiser has said that these will be bought by hedge funds and then sold on for 150b euros making them massive profits.
    Their privatised foreign-owned utilities will then rip the Greeks off as we are by the big six. Podemos now know their fate if they rebel at the hands of what one of their euro mps described as financial totalitarianism.

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  12. George Osborne has said that we are not going to pay our 1b euros towards the Greek bail-out. Interestingly, Sweden and Denmark were the first to say no, saying that this is a problem for the Eurozone alone.
    However, now Germany has said no as well, as well as the Czech Republic who are not, I don't think, in the Eurozone. However, as one commenter pointed out, this was money leant by the banks of the City, including HSBC and Barclays and not by the English taxpayer. If there are losses as a consequence then the bankers should bear them, not expect us to bail them out again. Funny that Osborne never said that!!

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    1. Yes, why should the taxpayer keep bailing out the bankers? They just come back for more.

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    2. The Molotov cocktails were already flying in Greece last night before the vote agreeing to the latest bail-out package. I don't think the trouble will go away. And the pm of the Ukraine, Mr Yatsenyuk, has been in London meeting Mr Cameron. He said that Greece should follow the Ukraine's example. I assume he meant go into total economic meltdown and civil war!! According to the excellent Douglas Macadams of the Ron Paul Insitute, Hungary is now alarmed that Hungarians within the Ukraine's borders and just across theirs are to be subject to ethnic cleansing by the Right Sector. Plus, Hungary is now closing its border with Serbia against Muslim refugees from Syria and North Africa. As Macadams said, this has all been caused by Wall Street and the City's (the Crown Corporation's) drive for world hegemony and to destroy any potential opponents. And Cameron is all in there. As Ron Paul has said, the founding fathers of America wanted to live in peace and trade with the world and this is still in the constitution which has now been torn up by the Neocons and the financial totalitarians in the name of monolithic globalisation.

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  13. I am afraid I have had to check my blood pressure again after seeing the trailer for the programme on BBC2 last night by an historian of African "heritage" about Britain's slave traders. Couldn't bring myself to watch.

    However, the day before I had watched David Dimbleby's Britain and the Sea and learnt that for nearly two centuries Barbary Pirates were seizing men, women and children from the coastal towns and villages of Cornwall and Devon until the late 17th century when the British attacked Algiers and freed them. I have also learnt that the pirates in their search for white slaves went as far as Iceland. Apparently, the blonder they were the better. Should we not like the descendants of the African slaves be banging on about it at every opportunity? No, it is over and done with and the sins of the fathers should not be vested on the sons.

    During the Icelandic banking crisis, somebody said that Icelandic children had not suffered so much since the days of the Barbary Pirates. . This is racism against the Muslim world!! one do-gooder said.
    Arabs have had slaves for nearly two thousand years and still do have.

    Following that do-gooder's logic, Africans, African Americans and West Indians should no longer attack Europeans for slavery as it is in the past and not the fault of current generations. But that will not happen.
    Plus, once freed, those Europeans slaves no doubt returned to Europe.
    The descendants of African slaves do not seem to want to return to Africa, having complained about being seized from there but want to stay on amongst their captors and complain about it, Doubtless such logic is now deemed as "racist".

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  14. Have just blogged about Daniel Macadams of the Ron Paul Institute and referred to him as Douglas. Apologies to Dan and others.

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  15. Don't know whether my comments from yesterday about the continued guilt trip that Europeans are being made to go on about black slavery compared with the total silence on white slavery and the Arabs has been weeded out or will appear in due course. The Arabs were trading slaves long before Europeans began and have continued ever since as Islamic State has shown. The Vikings sold their slaves to the Arabs, be they Celts or Slavs. It would seem that Arab society still depends on slavery. By the way the reference in Iceland to white slaves and the Barbary Pirates came to the fore because of protests over a second mosque in Rekjavik - Rekjavik, would you believe?

    In the meantime, in Greece there is now a strong possibility of Golden Dawn gaining more support as the only way that the Greeks are going to break free of the bankers' control. Their slogan is; "Greece belongs to the Greeks". It doesn't, of course, it belongs to the banks and if they have their way all their assets will shortly be owned by foreign companies. Does that sound familiar to us the English? England doesn't belong to the English any more but has been asset stripped . I have just read that Austria has had sanctions imposed against it because some of its people have elected members of the Freedom Party to her parliament. I wonder whether sanctions will also imposed on all those European countries having members of parliament from the "far right". A writer called this a dictatorship of the Left. Well the framework is of the Left but as I have pointed out the economics are the total opposite, international capitalism and international finance. The far left and far right are now making commons cause but as long as the far left believe in globalism then their countries will always remain trapped in globalisation. By the way, we now learn that the Greeks are applying in record numbers for jobs here. At least they are unemployed unlike the East Europeans and others who are just coming here to earn more money that they would at home. The Greeks and Spaniards etc are applying in desperation. The others out of sheer greed.

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  16. The confederate flag has come down from the State Legislature in Charleston. Now young blacks are being encouraged to tear them down from private homes. I have a friend who speaks of a false flag operation with regard to the shooting at the black church. I am now beginning to wonder as he also told me about operation Jade Helm which is a vast military exercise in the southern states. As one southerner said, they tried to take our weapons off us through gun control and now they have changed tack. Another said that the American Civil War was never about slavery it was about stopping the southern states seceding. And there is talk of secession again, with one neocon blaming Putin because a Texan visited Russia. Many of us suspect that Boston shooting as being a false flag operation, all part of the "war on terror" and wonder if this is the same thing to ensure no insurrection by the south as Europeans in America edge towards a minority. There is trouble coming, they know and they are preparing for it.

    Meanwhile Mr Cameron has lied again - what a surprise - about the deployment of or air force in Syria. Of course, Israel is helping Al Nusrah, a branch of Al Qaeda in the Golan Heights as the neocons and Israel press on with their determination to oust Assad. I am a bit confused about Hammond's role in the agreement with Iran as the government seems to be so much in bed with Israel and Saudi Arabia, both of which are helping the Islamic State against Iran's ally Assad. The way things are going, the Middle East and North Africa will be a sea of chaos and reduced to rubble around Israel who are armed with the nuclear option if needs be. Eventually the chaos will reach the Gulf States as well.

    And the chaos is being brought to Europe which will go the same way.
    Angela Merkel has said that Germany cannot talk all the refugees from Syria and Africa. Germany is set to take half a million asylum seekers this year. My one thought is if the southern states rise and it is about the approach of a white minority then Europeans may finally wake up to what is planned for them as well. Arab and European seem to face the same chaotic and blood stained future.

    Here our local council old folks home is now relying on volunteer labour to carry out the maintenance and friends and relatives to donate towards its running costs. So this is austerity; the bankers get the money and Jo Public has to become a charity as a consequence.

    The red dean of St Paul's - Giles Smith - has written about Sunday trading and the abolition of Sunday as being special. This will further erode communities as all those clubs and societies further vanish along with the church as a focal point of community activity. Either people will, as Smith says, be out buying things they don't want with money they don't have or father or mother will be busy working in retail. This is the master plan, the destruction of European communities with the homogeneous nation state being its greatest expression and Europeans just becoming rootless individuals among those who have been uprooted from their third world homes.

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  17. REPEATING_REPEATERS_ REPEATING!!! Do the authors of most of these comments not realise that other readers ACTUALLY WATCH BOTH THE MSM and THE AN ON THE INTERNET, therefore ALREADY KNOW ABOUT-' ALL' the subject matters mentioned. Well able to make there own similar analysis, the last thing needed is the bloody obvious REPEATED!!
    While making comments on relevant international matters are important, would it not make more sense to focus more on taking on both those global/local Nation destroyers immediate to England ! ? RT(Russia Today) devotes most of its time FIGHTING RUSSIA'S CORNER, why are we NOT USING BOTH THIS BLOG AND THE ED WEB SITE to do the same? Come on ED/ Supporters lets up our game! The last thing prospective visitors to both sites need is to see another repeaters echo chamber! England is in serious trouble and cowardly denial is not going to get it sorted! We need to stop the fooling around and start getting serious! Look up parrhesia!
    William Kearney.

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    1. If you're referring to the anonymous contributors who keep banging on about Russia and Ukraine (not "the" Ukraine) then I agree wholeheartedly. Robin writes a piece about an issue affecting England and the blog gets swamped with comments about anything else, with Russia and Ukraine at the top of the pecking-order.
      If these anonymous individuals want to campaign on behalf of Russia and its Soviet ambitions, perhaps they should start a blog of their own and stop hijacking this one.

      Clive,
      W-s-M.

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    2. William, sorry if I was one of the repeaters. I did hear a comment recently that whites in America, especially those in the southern states feel they have now been pushed into a corner in what was once overwhelmingly their country. They are fighting the nascent police state there with possible martial law to be imposed in the south. Similar things are beginning to happen in Australia.

      The fact is that most of the sheeple don't seem to have realised that the same fate awaits the English yet. Am just reading a book by a Polish American, Tomek Jankowski about Eastern Europe. He tells us that Europe was the most homogeneous continent on the planet and that all Europeans are descended from the same few ethnic groups. I had heard the figure of ten quoted. This is surprising as Eastern Europe has had to deal with wave after wave of invaders from Eurasia. This homogeneity is obviously the thing that the masters of the one world revolution so hate about Europe and are determined to change until the day when we are all pushed into a corner. Homogeneous we stand, divided we fall.

      The one thing I can say is that what happens in the US today happens in Europe tomorrow and when Europeans see that their brothers and sisters elsewhere are going like lambs to the slaughter we have to hope that they may then stir themselves.

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    3. Clive, 'THE Ukraine'; NOT 'Ukraine'. If you don't like the definite article then 'Ukraina', pronounced "Oo - kraina". If you want to use 'Ukraine', use it as an adjective, c.f., Argentina and Argentine.

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    4. By the way, Clive, Russia and its Soviet ambitions is a moot point and one to contrast with Washington and their paranoid drive for total world hegemony. But I agree, it is just muddying the waters.

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    5. William, you might watch MSM and AN and know about it all, but not every one does.
      I agree that the English Democrats need to up their game somehow, and I haven't a clue what 'parrhesia' means.

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  18. Cameron and Osborne are using "austerity" as a smokescreen to destroy what remains of hard fought for English rights. Greece isn't the only nation under attack in the name of austerity.
    EVEL is just another bit of smoke and mirrors to hide what they are really up to. EVEL is well named.

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  19. Last week, Lord (Clive) Soley told the members of the House of Lords, that in the current political climate, if ever an English nationalist party were to be formed, it would sweep to power.

    He said, "I ask the Government to look at the agenda of those who wish to break up the United Kingdom. The SNP lost the referendum, and lost it badly, but that does not mean that it has given up the strategy of winning in the long run. It is using tactics which, among other things, are designed to raise English nationalism, and the Government are playing into that. The danger is that if English nationalism is not part of a constructive whole-United Kingdom role, there will be, not surprisingly, many English people saying, “If the Scots want to go, let them do it. Let’s have a different party structure”. You can see part of that happening within the United Kingdom Independence Party. IF UKIP BREAKS UP, I would guess that what will emerge from it is an English nationalist party, and I cannot think of anything more dangerous to the United Kingdom than an SNP and an ENP. We need to address this and the Government must take a lead. I, along with many other people who strongly support the union, do not feel that they are listening. The Government are not talking to all those of us who support the union in the way they need to."

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    1. Close to the border with Scotland most would be happy to see Scotland go but then we face the prospect of a Scotland still in the EU and England out and illegal immigrants and asylum seekers being welcomed in Scotland, only to push across the border. If that were to happen then I can see not only Hungary as building a fence along its border. England would then need a rebuilding of Hadrian's wall.

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    2. "Close to the border with Scotland most would be happy to see Scotland go". Maybe, but Northerners (the true English) have more in common with, and feel more at home with, the Scots than they with southerners.

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  20. Ukip has divided into Red Ukip, which was set up to appeal to disillusioned Labour voters in the North (more Labour than Labour), and Blue Ukip, which appeals to traditional Conservative "Empire loyalists" in the South (more conservative than the Tories).
    The English Democrats must woo the blue-collar Red Ukip.

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  21. Clive, I shall now desist in trying to tie in England's fate to that of the overall project of one world government, globalism/globalisation which is affecting all other European countries and beyond. I think that William's point was that he already knew about all this and wondered what we are going to do about it. I shall now desist. But I do not think that events in the US are without significance. Enoch Powell referred to the US and inter-racial strife but even he could not have predicted the arrival of a white minority. Events elsewhere may finally give the English the courage to resist, although I now think that more and more of them have seen the writing on the wall. Robin, as a regular contributor to Russia Today should give his opinion which would be welcome. By the way, I am sure we used to call it the Ukraine in decades past as we used to say Peking but I could be wrong.

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    1. Please don't desist. Keep exposing the machinations of the West's military industrial complex and the threat to the English nation from the globalists.
      Observing NATO manoeuvres, Poland's Defence Minister Tomasz Siemoniak has said that Europe's "time of decades of peace after the Cold War is over."
      And it's 'the Ukraine'; not 'Ukraine'

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    2. I thought I was right with regard to The Ukraine. Joanna Lumley in China said, also, that we did use to call it Peking, the way that other European nations still do. Beizhing has come from America as being an approximation of what the Chinese themselves call it. On that basis we should call Paris Paree, Brussels Bruxelles or Brussel and Vienna Wien etc.

      As regards repeating, sometimes my comments do not seem to have gone through because of the slowness of the web - perhaps being filtered by GCHQ - and so I repeat them and then the first one appears after all - apologies for that.

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    3. My comment above was uncharacteristically vitriolic and for that, I apologise.
      The frustration that precipitated it centres on the apathay of the English toward the way they are treated by the British. Joe Voters to whom I speak, may acknowledge the unfairness of Scottish and Welsh freebies, paid for by them, but not avaialble to them, but seem to have a "c'est la vie" attitude, and no appetite for doing anything about it.
      So, if I were to attempt to mention the Marxists, Oligarchs and Hegemons, about whom you write so eloquently, I suspect that the best I could hope for in return, would be a blank "yer wha?" stare.
      Let's tackle what we can, now, (and that, with polling in low single figures, is difficult enough,) and concern ourselves with bigger issues, if and when we acquire some influence at home.
      Keep writing. If you have any solutions, let's hear them.
      Best wishes,
      Clive,
      W-s-M.

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    4. That's alright Clive. Most people are being led by the nose to their destruction and do not even realise it. But I was talking to a lady I know this morning who does. She referred to the Japanese purchase of The Times? but said "but what can we do?". Nothing it would seem bar a violent uprising all over Europe and beyond.

      Ken Livingstone is proud of making London boom more than New York. For a start we never wanted our capital to be like New York and a foreign enclave which is little more than the City of Greed. But what is "Red" Ken doing creating this capitalist pig sty where people are evicted to make way for luxury flats for foreigners and sent to Liverpool?

      Finally, Jeremy Corbyn thinks he will take back Red UKIP votes but not without adopting their immigration policy.
      The odious neo liberal Blair has been attacking Corbyn.
      But Blair did not rub the noses of the Tories in diversity but those of millions of Old Labour voters and they want revenge after 36 years of neo-liberalism, mass immigration and globalisation by Tories and New Labour.

      Have discovered the Ukraine, like Beizhing, is an American import. Like everything else English English is going as we become just another America through American led monolithic globalisation for the benefit of the oligarchic few.

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    5. It's not Beizhing, but Beijing. Earlier, it was known as Peiping, Peking and Pekin.

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    6. Clive, do you have any solutions for getting ED's elected?

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    7. So-called "English" is not our national language, nor anyone's national language. It is pretty irrelevant whether "English" speakers use Paree for Paris, Brussels, Bruxelles, or Brussel, Wien or Vienna.
      See David Cowley - "How We's Talk, if the English had won in 1066."

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  22. By the way, Russia's Soviet ambitions is a moot point to contrast with those of the United States and theirs; but for elsewhere as you say.

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    1. Please don't be silenced on this blog or retreat into a ghetto.

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    2. You have put me in a bit of a predicament now as to what to do for the best. As for Russia and Philip Hammond's comments yesterday, I rather suspect he has a plum job lined up on the board of BAE systems for when he retires from parliament; another slippery individual. There will never be peace which such as he around.

      Jeremy Corbyn has achieved a score of 45% in a yougov poll regarding the Labour leadership. Polly Toynbee said he wants to create a socialist republic. But his plans for EU exit might bring ex-Labour voters back into the fold and damage both Red UKIP and the EDs. He also wants Britain out of NATO but if he tried I am sure that the CIA would solve that problem.

      Corbyn also described the previous Labour opposition as austerity light. Sadly, as events in Greece have shown, any government trying to combat the bankers' austerity con is soon brought back into line. Greece is now to be sold off to the highest bidders and the Greeks will no longer own the land beneath their feet the way things are going. We are already well down that road ourselves. What is the EDs' view.

      On another tack, wonder what the official line of the EDs is on shop opening hours. The Old Etonian city slickers who have never done a proper job in their lives are now abolishing limited opening on a Sunday. There are jobs going in our local co-op, spar and pizza place but no takers. This is not just because of the low wages but mostly because of the unsocial hours. I know a lady who works in a local co-op who does not know from one week to the next what shifts she will be working. How can people do anything but work and shop and have any family life if they are forced to work non-stop in this way? Robin, could you check on this but it is my belief that the biggest economy in Europe, Germany, still has its shops closing at noon on a Saturday and re-opening on Monday morning and yet their economy booms. As Giles Smith has said, people could then get back to developing other interests and seeing family on a Sunday.

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    3. Its quite funny I am beginning to agree with some of the core policies of the so called hard left - end to austerity, repulicanism, EU exit, withdrawal from NATO, opposition to privatisation and so on.

      The sad truth is that these so called hard left also support our racial, spiritual and cultural dispossession of our lands and perhaps that is what we need to highlight to prevent voters from going back to the left.

      I am finding that many of my comments are being screened out whenever I bring up the subject of the 2007 UN Declaration of Rights For Indigenous Peoples. I smell a rat.

      Francis

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    4. What we need is nationalist socialism.

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    5. Sorry for spelling Beijing Beizhing but that is the way they pronounce it and the zh is the phonetic spelling of the s sound in treasure, absent from Old English. And yes Ukraine is American and The Ukraine was English. Francis, I cannot agree with you about republicanism sadly. I think that the Queen is the only thing holding the English together; note the absence of non-white faces at things like the Jubilee and reinforces our history and culture although still being the Duke of Normandy. For those who favour republicanism I always say, would you have really like a President Thatcher, Cameron or even worse Blair? Blair and Brown wanted an American style republic here, in fact that wanted multicultural Americanisation full stop ( or should that be period ?) and Blair would have been in seventh heaven at the thought of being supreme leader. You are probably right that GCHQ/ the NSA are screening out your comments on the UN declaration. But now it is ok for conversations between mps and their constituents to be listened to despite the Wilson Accord or whatever it was called. Democracy, don't make me laugh.

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    6. Francis, the English Democrats have to be a nationalist socialist party.

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    7. The trouble is it will be called national socialist.

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  23. July 22nd, The Government has suffered a big defeat in the House of Lords over its ridiculous EVEL proposals.

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