On Friday 5th October we saw the launch of the new political venture of ex-UKIP MEP, Nicki Sinclair, at Westminster Central Methodist Hall before a small audience and with little media interest.
While I welcome any additional pressure that may be brought to bear on the Establishment, to actually have the now often promised but never delivered EU referendum, I have grave doubts whether this venture of Nicki Sinclair’s will significantly help achieve that objective.
The launch of another single issue anti-EU party to rival UKIP can only be welcomed in one sense, which is that it will, of course, significantly damage UKIP. This is not least because Nicki Sinclair’s has used her time as a UKIP MEP to get a large proportion of UKIP’s supporters to sign up to her anti-EU referendum petition, which handily gives her a large and probably quite comprehensive database of the contact details of all of UKIP’s supporters. It will not therefore be surprising if the damage to UKIP is quite catastrophic.
A couple of years ago I would have been quite sorry to see that, but over the last two years I have experienced enough of a taste of UKIP’s devious, underhand, dishonourable tactics to no longer have any qualms about seeing another one of their splitters seek to damage them.
It was noteworthy that at Nicki Sinclair’s launch that there was a reunion between her and another UKIP defector MEP, David Campbell-Bannerman. It will be interesting to watch whether that rapprochement bears any fruit.
In the meanwhile, below is a discussion which took place on Facebook which gives a clear insight into how irremediable the breach is between Nigel Farrage and Nicki Sinclair. In my view the falling out of various groups of British/UKish patriots/nationalists is more likely to leave the field open for the growth of the only English nationalist party – the English Democrats! So does 'every cloud' have a silver lining!?
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Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
Majority
of UKIPs MEPs have done nothing and having nothing to show that has moved the UK
further towards the exit from the EU
Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
Well,
what about a mobile surgery each as I have that goes around their region once ot
twice a week collecting signatures for a petition
Claire
Khaw
Do
you think I might be allowed to give a talk about
1. the need for more co-operation amongst the Eurosceptic parties
2. how to put aside ideological differences until the time comes when they have to be tackled head on ?
1. the need for more co-operation amongst the Eurosceptic parties
2. how to put aside ideological differences until the time comes when they have to be tackled head on ?
Claire
Khaw
I
could even say something about why it is tactically disastrous for UKIP to even
think about doing a deal with the Tories and why they should beware Greeks
bearing gifts.
Claire
Khaw
"I
am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through
me."
Claire
Khaw
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Guy Aston
I
am disappointed in this move to yet another party. This country is at a turning
point and it is vital we get out of the EU. There is one party that is
recognised by the voters that
can make this happen - UKIP. I know UKIP is not perfect (what party is?), but
yet another party will split the vote which could be damaging to the cause.
Surely the cause is more important than the
party.
Charlotte
Bull
Splitting
the vote of those who demand a referendum will weaken the cause
and make a referendum less likely. You must know this and I can't decide
whether you have succumbed to bribery, stupidity or ego mania.
How has UKIP let the people down for heaven sake. You may have a case for feeling that at one point you were treated unfairly but for heaven sake, if
you really believe in our leaving the EU then stop weakening electoral
pressure - which is the only way it will come about.
Charlotte
and make a referendum less likely. You must know this and I can't decide
whether you have succumbed to bribery, stupidity or ego mania.
How has UKIP let the people down for heaven sake. You may have a case for feeling that at one point you were treated unfairly but for heaven sake, if
you really believe in our leaving the EU then stop weakening electoral
pressure - which is the only way it will come about.
Charlotte
Steven
Morson
@Guy
Aston: If you're "....disappointed in this move to yet another party...." you
need to have a word with Nige and his lickspittle acolytes!
UKIP has a habit (since Farage's initial election as Leader) of extricating / squeezing out / blackmailing people of substance, value, worth or bearing in case they steal the Leader's limelight. It runs into hundreds. Very seriously talented people, many of whom have since become convinced that UKIP's sole purpose is to take the EUrosceptic poison out of the Tory party, and provide a seriously nice stream of income for Nige and his disgusting cronies on the EU gravy train as a reward. UKIP's achieved NOTHING, because that's how it's meant to be.
UKIP has a habit (since Farage's initial election as Leader) of extricating / squeezing out / blackmailing people of substance, value, worth or bearing in case they steal the Leader's limelight. It runs into hundreds. Very seriously talented people, many of whom have since become convinced that UKIP's sole purpose is to take the EUrosceptic poison out of the Tory party, and provide a seriously nice stream of income for Nige and his disgusting cronies on the EU gravy train as a reward. UKIP's achieved NOTHING, because that's how it's meant to be.
Steven
Morson
Anyone
who thinks UKIP is the answer is deluding themselves. It's a Gravy Train Club
run by a spiv.
Guy Aston
@Steven
Morson. UKIP want us out of the EU and is polling 7% - 10% right now. It is the
only hope we have. There is no time to form and build a new party before Europe
moves to a federal
state. I cannot comment on your views on Nigel Farage. My position is simple,
the cause ranks highest, not the politics. Anything to save us from the EU must
be better than the current status quo! I am sorry that you think 7% of the
nation is deluded.
Philippa
McKee
i
think everyone is v dissappointed with this government, and labour isnt an
option, and the Libs dont have much to offer, and every one is fed up with EU
telling us what to do, we
are all searching for something else, i like what UKIP stand for, but i would
like to know their views on the badger cull, and hunting, and i hear the at the
conservatives will give us a referendum, but thats is just a ploy again to get
us to vote for them, i do not trust them at all.. so enough is enough.... time
for change its over due, i want UKIP, and will push on my fb, which is growing
all the time, i am a medium and have premontions, and i hate to see it i
actually saw EU collapse, i didnt get a time. unfortunately it affect the UK big
time, i dont see us getting out in time, even Germany are showing signs of a
turn in their prosperity... it is a great concern.... how can the uk afford to
stay in it i say get out quick.
Philippa
McKee
could
we all remember that the Labour party left a right mess, and walked away, and i
can never forget Gordon Brown the way she spoke about that lady in the car and
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Philippa
McKee
UKIP
would love me...but i fear i am not clever enough, but i am a fighter, but i am
not anywhere near anywhere.. living in Somerset, in many ways i would of been
gd..... for the party...
but its taken over by this MP Liddell Granger, who doesnt do alot he is a
tory... and wants healthy badgers he is for the
cull..
Philippa
McKee
Claire,
i have no idea. but i was voting for them too, but why does that matter, I think
Nigel rocks
Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
Because
we are not primarily a party. We will be standing in one election only, the EU
election in 2014 with one issue spelt out on the ballot paper 'We Demand A
Referendum'. We do
not have any other policies therefore we would be attractive to voters from
every party to issue their protest at not having a
referendum.
Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
The
Referendum party fell apart due to Sir Jimmy Goldsmith being terminally Ill and
subsequently dying. UKIP shot is self in the foot straight after the GE of 1997
when it's leader,
Sked and half of the NEC and a third of the membership walked away. Craig
Macknlay and tony scholefiled kept it going even though meetings only attracted
about 30 people. Michael Holmes was elected leader in 1998 and was given a shot
in the arm by taking 13.2% in a south Yorkshire euro by election. Lots of ex
referendum party candidates were invited to join. Nigel stabbed Crig mackinley I
the ack to head the lst in the South East in 1999 ad the rest is history. The
reality is, Had Sir Jimmy lived, UKIP would have joined
him
Claire
Khaw
"Nigel
stabbed Crig mackinley I the ack to head the lst in the South East in
1999"
Could you say again what you were trying to say here, please, Nikki?
Could you say again what you were trying to say here, please, Nikki?
Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
Nigel
Farage has fallen out with five of the previous seven UKIp leaders, nine of the
eighteen MEPs UKIP have had since 1999. He has fallen out with 73 plus nec
members and UKIP have more ex members than members. That says everything I need
to say about Nigel
Philippa
McKee
that
doesnt sound gd Nikki, so where are we going now then, who would we follow.. but
a referendum would be gd... i think we all want to get out of
europe
Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
UKIP
started in 1993 and fought the Euro elections of 1994 The Referendum Party
started in 1996 and out performed UKIP in 1997
Nikki Sinclaire
Mep
That's
why we are goingbtoputvthat option on the ballot paper in
2014
We need a national populist party that can win seats at Westminster. UKIP and this new group cant do that.
ReplyDelete"We need an English nationalist party that can win seats at Westminster." The English Democrats are that party. The UK and the EU are both unions of countries which oppress nations. The English must escape both of them.
DeleteIt looks like Nicki Sinclaire (a lesbian) might be seeking selection for a Tory seat now that the Conservatives have been taken over by liberals like Cameron.
ReplyDeleteAs long as UKIP gives out the impression that it exist to put pressure on the Tories, it will lose support. Also, it is becoming recognised that UKIP cannot take the UK out of the EU intact. The English Democrats could take England out of the EU and leave the rest within the EU. That is a more realistic position than that taken by UKIP. UKIP and Nikki Sinclaire are both so naive that they think that the UK can be taken out as a union. The English have to get out of the UK, if they want to get out of the EU.
ReplyDeleteThe EU has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for Peace. Nigel has condemned this as a travesty - BBC News 12/10/2012
ReplyDelete12 October 2012
ReplyDeleteManuel Barroso: "The European Union is probably the most important ever project for peace"
The European Union has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for six decades of work in advancing peace in Europe.
"from a continent of war to a continent of peace".
The award comes as the EU faces the biggest crisis of its history, with recession and social unrest rocking many of its member states.
Jagland highlighted the EU's work in sealing the reconciliation between France and Germany in the decades after World War II and praised the organisation for incorporating Spain, Portugal and Greece after their authoritarian regimes collapsed in the 1970s.
And he added that the possibility of EU membership for Turkey had also "advanced democracy and human rights in that country".
Senior EU figures were overjoyed with the award.
Herman Van Rompuy said it was recognition for the work of "the biggest peacemaker in history".
"This started after the war - putting together former enemies. It started with six countries and we are now 27, another one is going to join us next year and more want to come. So the EU is the most important project for peace in terms of transnational, supernational co-operation."
If there is a core justification for the European project, it is to make war impossible again on the continent. That has been the EU's outstanding achievement”We must never forget that in order to keep this peace, democracy and freedom, we have to work hard over and over again," she said.
French President Francois Hollande said the EU needed to show it was "worthy" of the award. "We are honoured, we are proud and at the same time we have our responsibilities before us," he told journalists during a visit to Senegal.
The BBC's Europe correspondent Matthew Price says the EU's achievements are clear, but the committee has picked a strange time to highlight them.
The eurozone crisis has made the EU look more divided and fragile than it has for decades, he says.
Alongside the chorus of praise, several eurosceptic politicians were quick to deride the award.
Nigel Farage of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) likened the EU project to the former Yugoslavia.
"Rather than bring peace and harmony, the EU will cause insurgency and violence," he said.
Dutch eurosceptic Geert Wilders questioned the timing of the award.
Thorbjoern Jagland, Norwegian Nobel Committee: "Since 1945 reconciliation has become a reality"
"A Nobel prize for the EU at a time Brussels and all of Europe is collapsing in misery. What next? An Oscar for Van Rompuy," he said.
English nationalists would agree with both Nigel Farage and Geert Wilders (and Nigel Lawson).
DeleteIt's a shame that the two Nigels are not patriotic enough to join the English Democrats, but cling on in the anti-English UKIP and the anti-English Tory Party, respectively